How's Oppo feel about some afternoon Firearm Friday action?

"nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul" (nfamouscj) 08/08/2014 at 16:57 • Filed to: firearm friday, guns

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Bonus points if you can identify all 4 of my current arsenal.

Another cool shot (no pun intended)

Answer:

Mossberg 590 Flex, Taurus .38 special Snubnose, Palmetto Custom AR15, Ruger SR40c

MonkeePuzzle > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 16:59

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two glocks and two assault rifles?

HammerheadFistpunch > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 16:59

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likes like a .45, 38 special, ?, 12 gauge.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > MonkeePuzzle 08/08/2014 at 17:00

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oh wow. I lol'ed

crowmolly > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:02

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.45ACP, .357 Mag, .223 or 5.56, 12 gauge?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > HammerheadFistpunch 08/08/2014 at 17:02

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Half correct

GhostZ > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:03

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.45, 38 special, Remington 223, and some 12-gauge.

He says, quoting the 4 most common bullets he can think of, assuming you've got nothing craazy, but not knowing enough to differentiate between what brands/tip types they are.

/is not a gunlopnik

T5Killer > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:03

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.45 ACP .38 Special .223/5.56 and 12 GA

Anon > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:03

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.45, IDK, .308?, and a 12 guage?

HammerheadFistpunch > HammerheadFistpunch 08/08/2014 at 17:03

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It could be a .357, had to tell.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:04

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Middle two: .357 mag and .223?

T5Killer > HammerheadFistpunch 08/08/2014 at 17:04

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The ? is 5.56/.223

EL_ULY > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:04

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357 -in a something for concealed purposes?

45 -revolver of some sort?

224- on a sweet AR?

buckshot -12 guage?

all guesses, no clue :]

HammerheadFistpunch > T5Killer 08/08/2014 at 17:05

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I don't riffle ammo well.

XJDano > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:05

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9mm, 38. .243, 12ga, may be a .40

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:09

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As to which guns, 1911, .357 S&W revolver of some sort, some type of AR15 build, and a sweet Mossy?

Big Daddy Handsome > MonkeePuzzle 08/08/2014 at 17:09

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thank you so much

jariten1781 > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:09

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Hornady Critical Defense?

GhostZ > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:09

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Also, though I know nothing about conventional guns but having to want to know more about ballistics, perhaps you can answer another question I've had:

How does muzzle velocity get affected by the type of bullet, length of barrel, etc.? And Does velocity affect penetration/damage that a bullet does, for the same total energy? How do revolvers stack up against pistols for the purpose of muzzle velocity?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > jariten1781 08/08/2014 at 17:12

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sure is, good eye

ly2v8-Brian > MonkeePuzzle 08/08/2014 at 17:17

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I have a daisy. Definitely an assault rifle for sure.

Alfalfa > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:19

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The chamber pressure drops after the bullet leaves the barrel, so a longer barrel means that the bullet is being pushed for longer, thus typically gaining more velocity and/or distance. Velocity affects damage and penitration in many different ways, dependant on a lot of factors.

Textured Soy Protein > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:19

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Is that you???

Jcarr > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:20

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Nice, now show us what they come flying out of.

Here's mine:

Mossberg 500 Thunder Ranch 12ga. I replaced the stock with an ATI Talon adjustable, added a Magpul foregrip and 1" flashlight mount to the fore end, added a Picatinny rail on top and put a reflex sight on that.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:21

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Muzzle velocity is highly dependent on barrel length vs. weight of bullet (but also load) - penetration at range is contingent on bullet profile, speed on impact as a consequence, and weight.

Velocity makes for a bullet that's much harder to stop than a slower one all other things being equal because kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity, but because the kinetic energy of the bullet is a function of muzzle energy, there's not really a disproportionate swing in any one direction for different types at the same energy until some of it is lost, either through drag or other factors. A rifle profile bullet typically loses the energy it has more slowly than a pistol profile, but a very high velocity light bullet can lose more to drag, in theory.

Velocity being very high can increase penetration depth, but the total amount of tissue damage may in some cases be similar to a somewhat slower, heavier bullet because if it's the same amount of energy, the body has to absorb that same amount. Some tiny bullets are useful for hunting due to high soft-tissue penetration and the fact that they ricochet off bone, etc. and fragment, but that's not really *more* tissue damage as much as it's distributing what tissue damage you have far and wide.

A heavy rifle profile bullet usually penetrates hard objects the best, particularly at range. This does not always connote to more injury. See for example the ability of a .308 to penetrate 3/8" steel plate - not really a "thing" with a .223.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:23

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there's a bajillion different factors that go into factoring those. I'm no gun expert but enough experience to understand the general concept is though a bullet can be very small, when traveling incredibly fast the affects can be devastating. EG : the .223 has a tiny bullet but a ton of gunpowder behind it so you're sending a tiny projectile at a stupid fast speed, thus the damage is huge. The .40 looks short and fat and definitely won't travel as far but because the bullet has more mass it can do a lot of damage at a slower speed.

I have a hard drive laying around that we shot up with the 223 but also a 22. Same size bullets but different amount of gun powder and speed. (The 22 has enough gun powder to fill like 1/8 of the 223). The 22 leaves a small hole where as the 223 blew out the whole back.

ly2v8-Brian > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:25

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With cannons a longer barrel is usually indicative of higher velocity. For example the 120mm L44 smooth bore on the M1 has a lower muzzle velocity than the L55 on the Leopard 2.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Jcarr 08/08/2014 at 17:26

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we have a near identical build except mine is the 590 Flex, magpul angled grip, stock butt stock (added the side saddle), off brand holo sight

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Textured Soy Protein 08/08/2014 at 17:28

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I only wish I could grow a sweet beard like that. And is that a guitar hero guitar!?

GhostZ > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/08/2014 at 17:29

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What about material, not against tissue, such as in armor-piercing bullets or anti-material rifles? From what you posted, I would assume that a higher-velocity rifle profile bullet would do better at armor piercing, but not necessarily cause more damage otherwise?

Jcarr > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:29

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I like that. Looks like we may even have the exact same reflex. I don't remember what kind it is. It was fairly cheap on Amazon.

Textured Soy Protein > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:30

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I think you're right about the guitar.

GhostZ > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:32

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I'd really like to get into guns but the regulations are steep, I have nowhere to legally shoot, I don't need them for self-defense, and they cost a lot. the machining and technology fascinates me though, and I'd love to work with long-range sharpshooting guns, dealing with the physics that affect accuracy.

That being said, how come revolvers are generally used for self-defense and close range? Is there some major advantage to magazines in rifles when it comes to accuracy?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Jcarr 08/08/2014 at 17:33

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that would be it. Picked up a bore site and had it dialed in at 30 yards with just a few adjustments and no ammo wasted. Then went and blasted the woods up

Viggen > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:39

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Sweet AR. Looking to grab one soon myself.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:43

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where are you located? That'll dictate a lot of the laws. Surprisingly I'm in VA where we have the most lax gun laws around. They are expensive, as is ammo. Those 4 right there were around $2k +/- $400 and goodies.

Revolvers are the go-to for self defense because they're small- that one gets tucked in a pouch in my belt and nobody could ever tell I'm carrying- reliable and potent. Rifles have a long barrel so you have a lot to swing around to put on target. Plus most hand guns you don't have to worry about a stray bullet traveling a mile off course should you miss. I only carry hollow points because I know that (God forbid) a bullet leaves that gun and I miss, I don't have to worry about it going through a wall and striking an unwanted target. Hollow points shatter when they hit their target. The .223 will go through 4 walls of drywall before thinking about slowing down.

There's been stories of guys who fired on an attacker and the solid bullet went through the attacker and lodged itself in a wall. That could have easily been someone standing there. Had it been a hollow point the shards would stay in the attacker with less risk of friendly fire.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Viggen 08/08/2014 at 17:46

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its the Barbie doll of guns. Every possible accessory out there.

GhostZ > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:51

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Chicago .

Like I said, nowhere to legally shoot. All in all, I'm more likely to get shot if I'm carrying a gun than not, and it's extremely expensive to go through the stuff to get it. I live in an apartment complex though, so I don't need to worry about self-defense in the home.

What you typed about revolvers makes perfect sense.

Honestly, I think I'd have more fun trying to cutomize / manufacture parts for a gun to make it unique than the actual shooting. Something about creating a machine with a clear purpose and absolutely unique design that appeals to me. Same thing applies to cars.

Viggen > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 17:55

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Sure is. Thinking about a DPMS model.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > GhostZ 08/08/2014 at 17:58

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That's correct - if it's big enough to retain energy for a longer period. Medium materials (i.e. not armor) will vary. The penetration on a 9mm is generally decently high, but they're infamous for not causing much damage because the bullet is very stable (assumed: not a hollowpoint). A .223 bullet (light load) traveling 1.6 times as fast would have the same energy, roughly. In tissue, the .223 may be more likely to get a kill unarmored because it bounces around and fragments on impact - add a thin layer of metal some distance away from the target (say, a car door), and the 9 might be more likely to carry through where the .223 is probably exploded into splinters or tumbled. If, however, it's a thin Kevlar, the .223 may once again have the advantage because the 9mm is too blunt to penetrate all the way through, and the .223 actually made it to some organs (with much reduced energy).

It's all trade-offs, with enough complicating factors that it's hard to make predictions.

Mixing it up with a much heavier *rifle* bullet at the same speed but up to double the mass, it will penetrate and cause wounds somewhere in the middle: straighter than the .223, but more shock damage than the 9mm, because it's faster. Heavy rifle bullet will have a critical inability to penetrate that is much higher than either, because of its advantage in profile and in mass-generated stability. However, the recoil will be disproportionately high, because for two guns with the same muzzle energy, the one firing a heavier bullet transfers more momentum. This is the framework in which we moved away from the M14 (.308) to the M16 (5.56). Paradoxically, tests showed the smaller bullet was more likely to get a kill after penetration of close armor (test case: a helmet) because it began tumbling and thus would scramble the brain instead of going straight. Trouble being, heavy foliage can also cause tumbling...

BigBlock440 > EL_ULY 08/08/2014 at 18:05

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.45 ACPs are usually used in semi's, as the "shoulder" of the cartridge doesn't have anything to catch on the revolver, note how the revolver round has a "shoulder" wider that the rest of the case. They do make clips (I think they're called moon clips) that you could use with a .45acp in a revolver, but it's not just drop-and-go. The round would slide right through the revolver cylinder without it.

Clown Shoe Pilot > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 08/08/2014 at 18:14

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here's one of mine -